I recently came across this argument on the Wrestling Classics message board and found it very interesting and thought quite a few other people would too. Ken Wayne posts as 'NYTERSS' and Hugo posts as 'lord humongous'. This was cut and pasted directly from the message board. If more turns up I will update it later. This all started when someone posted a picture of Ryan Wilson (Trytan in TNA) as Lord Humongous and someone asked who it was, Hugo responded then so did Ken Wayne and here's what followed.
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lord humongous
Member # 552
Icon 1 posted 09-06-2005 05:36 PM
I think it is funny that Ryan can't even get the look right. Here is my web-site please someone show it to him and then maybe he can look like me.
community.webtv.net/lordhugo/LORDHUMONGOUS
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NYTERSS
Member # 535
Icon 1 posted 09-06-2005 06:34 PM
Somehow I don't think he wants to look like you. Seriously though, the Hugo gimmick is way outdated. Time to move on.
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K.W.
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lord humongous
Member # 552
Icon 1 posted 09-06-2005 10:02 PM
Ok to clear this up about who owns the Hugo gimmick. The one in the movie is spelled Humungus mine is spelled Humongous. I copyrighted that spelling of it. I also changed the look slightly so that I could get the copyright.
Now as far as the gimmick being outdated........ If that was true why is so many people trying to use it? Also I just did a run in the NorthWest with it and have done a tour of South Africa with it. So I don't believe that it is that outdated.
Now I know several people have done this gimmick with Mike Stark being the first, Jeff Van Kamp being the second and me being the third. And then there is everyone else after us.
But truth be told I am the only one that has taken this"outdated gimmick" as far as it has gone as far as different countries and states. Noone else has done this so I think that after the copyright and after when all I have taken it then I do believe that I have the right to call myself Lord Humongous.
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(NOTE FROM GENE: APPARENTLY THERE WAS A VERY HATEFUL POST FROM WAYNE THAT WAS QUICKLY DELETED WHICH THIS POST IS IN RESPONSE TO)
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lord humongous
Member # 552
Icon 1 posted 09-07-2005 10:20 AM
Ok this is a reply to Ken Wayne. Ken yes I do know how to work or I wouldn't have worked for WCW (which I did for 3 years), Deep South and many other promotions all over the country. So yes I do think I have learned my craft. Now as far as me getting paid and what I get paid..........I can't believe that this is going on a message board but here goes. No ken the reason I don't work for most promotions in Mississippi and work in other states is because I do ghet paid. Most promotions in this state can't afford to pay me what I want so I go to other states. So no I won't work cheap. Now again as far as the gimmick being out dated......if it is then way does everyone still want it? Now as far as my weight goes......it is clear that you haven't seen me lately so trust me you don't know what I look like and yes there was a time when I let that go but trust me you haven't seen me lately.
Now Kenny you have a right to your opinion but trust me young man I haven't hurt the business. Because 1. I won't work for 5.00 and 2. I do know my craft and how to worek and if I didn't I damn sure wouldn't have been around for 22 years still getting booked week in and week out.
And I don't want anyone taking this the wrong way because I have always liked and respected Ken Wayne but truthfully Kenny I think you are way off base with this and I find it very hurtful you would say this stuff.
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NYTERSS
Member # 535
Icon 1 posted 09-07-2005 04:34 PM
First Gary, I deleted the post because I like you and didn't want to hurt your feelings. I thought I deleted the post before anyone saw it. But the way I feel about people personally and business is two completly different things. I bet you have never had to give a friend their notice, I have, and it was 100% a business decision. And I have had to do it more than once. What I have to say about the business or people in it, isn't personally motivated, it's strictly business. I want everyone to live up to their potential, I hope you understand that.
I have heard you lost weight, congratulations. You aren't the only one I have said anything about their weight, if I didn't care I wouldn't have brought it up to you or anyone else. In fact I have had several guys call me and keep me posted on their weight loss. (You need to change the pics on your website)
As far as you knowing your craft, I have never seen any evidence of it. The Hugo gimmick was used , as Jimmy Hart would say, to "camoflage" the fact that a guy can't work. That's why it was put on Mike Stark. Jeff wasn't too much in the skills department either and he knows it. Sid did learn to work, but it was put on him for the same reason. That and man did he ever fit the gimmick. Doing that gimmick and knowing your craft are 2 different things.
You have taken a short term, camoflage gimmick and tried to make a career out of it. And quite honestly, you probably could have gone much farther as Gary Nations. Actually I like that name much better. It's got a good ring to it. But I digress.
As far as everyone wanting the gimmick, well, I don't know of any. I have talked to several promoters and they tell me that you call and want to work with the gimmick and you will do it rather cheap. They only told me these things because I was looking for talent and they brought your name up. And I didn't call you mainly because we didn't need the gimmick at the time. Like I said, I am only going by what I was told.
As far as you being in WCW for 3 years and 22 years in the business and whatever else you said, I don't know about any of that, I have only known of you the last 10 or so years, but being in wcw or anywhere doesn't mean you know your craft. There are guys in wwe right now that don't know their craft. I can only speak of what I have seen and opinions of others that have have seen your work in recent years. But in all fairness, I have seen much worse, hell, I have had to work with some of them.
On a side note, it's hard to do that gimmick for as long as you have and learn the craft. I mean why or how would you, Lord Hugo's act doesn't have to know the craft, it's a very easy gimmick to do, you don't really have to do much. That's the main reason Sid wanted out of the gimmick, so he could display his skills. When Sid, as LH, started displaying skills it all but killed LH off.
All of what I said in the post I deleted wasn't directed at you. The LH comments were aimed directly at you. It's a 25 or 30 year old gimmick, man it's 2005, time to move on. If it was such an up to date gimmick Vince would be doing it. He did have Demolition, which is about as close he got to the gimmick, and how long ago has that been. The other stuff was at a bunch of jabronies that need to be buying a ticket....again.
I had hoped it would be constructive criticism, but after I re-read the post I realized it didn't come off that way, and like I said, I like you personally and I didn't want to hurt your feelings. I won't apologize for what I said, it's the way I feel, it just didn't come across like I intended. I DO beleive you should drop the gimmick, but I also think Ricky Morton should cut his hair. It's not intended to hurt feelings or make anyone angry. It's just what I think, and you know I have never been one to hold back much.
Although I am retired from the ring I still love this business and most of the guys that are carrying it on. I am not one of those people that are stuck in the past, I know things change and I welcome it. I hear all the time that things will never be the same and I don't expect them to be. Actually I am quite excited about some of the changes going on right now, and I can't wait for the next couple of years, just to see how it plays out. But I also know that, for me, in the ring isn't where I want or need to be. I realized it was time for me to move on, so I did one of the hardest things I have ever done, I made the decision to get out of the ring now. I didn't make a big deal out of it, no press release or anything like that, because I didn't find it newsworthy. My point here is, maybe it's time for you to move on too, re-invent yourself. Everything goes through changes, even butterflies were catapillars.
[ 09-07-2005, 11:35 PM: Message edited by: NYTERSS ]
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